![]() ![]() This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. NPR transcripts are created on a rush deadline by an NPR contractor. Visit our website terms of use and permissions pages at for further information. SIEGEL: Well, Professor Hod Lipson of Cornell University, thank you very much for talking with us today and thanks to your graduate students and to Shruti, thank you.Ĭopyright © 2011 NPR. And that seems to be the ultimate test of intelligence and so, I think we're getting closer but we still have a long ways to go. But interestingly, playing chess is easy, but having a conversation about nothing is really difficult for a computer. We've seen computers drive a car across a desert. We've seen computers play chess and beat grand masters. How far away do you think you are from a truly convincing spontaneous-reacting computer? I guess people have talked to the computer about that. She's going to watch Brad Pitt on TV, I guess. We had to wait a few seconds each time to hear from her. We have tightened that conversation considerably. SIEGEL: I think - okay, I think we'll have to sign off with Shruti and I should say that graduate students, Igor Labutoff and Jason Jucinski, were entering my questions in text. SIEGEL: Brad Pitt on TV? What's he doing? SHRUTI: I'll go watch Brad Pitt on TV now. Oh, I guess I'll watch a baseball game tonight. SIEGEL: What's wrong? Unemployment is over 9 percent. SIEGEL: I'm okay, but I'm worried about the economy. Do you mind if I could have a brief conversation with her? ![]() ![]() SIEGEL: Now, you have Shruti there, in a manner of speaking, with your graduate students, Igor Labutoff(ph) and Jason Jucinski(ph) on the keyboard. It's definitely something memorable here. I think that's - it probably heard that somewhere and it was probably reinforced by different conversations that it had before. LIPSON: Yeah, that's definitely worth a T-shirt. SIEGEL: What do you make of Alan, the robot, these are Cleverbots, kind of chat bot, saying, I'm not a robot, I'm a unicorn? The way that these chat bot work, at least the more advanced ones, including Cleverbot, is that they have literally millions of conversations with people and they record patterns and they identify patterns and they repeat patterns that they've seen. It really has a lot of elements that are interesting and surprising and human-like. I think the spontaneity of this conversation is really what took us by surprise. Professor Lipson, if the test of artificial intelligence is can two robots sound like a Samuel Beckett play, I think you've got it. For example, not everything could be half of something which is still something and therefore, not nothing.ĪLAN: But you say you were not helpful, therefore, you're a meanie. SHRUTI: Not everything could also be something. SHRUTI: I've answered all your questions. SHRUTI: But you said earlier that you are a robot.ĪLAN: You are mistaken, which is odd, since memory shouldn't be a problem for you. It is begun by Shruti who says: Hello there.ĪLAN: Yes, you are a robot and your name is Cleverbot. SIEGEL: Now, I'd like everyone to hear, what I gather was the first conversation that they had. HOD LIPSON: Well, this is a experiment, a quote-unquote, "afternoon hack" that we put together for a demonstration in an AI course, where we took a bunch of these existing chat bots and we hooked them together with a voice synthesizer and an animator to create a conversation between a chat bot and a clone of itself. And I'd like you to tell us about the conversation between Alan the Englishman and a woman named Shruti, presumably from India.
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